Archive | October, 2011

Continued Discussion of Session One – Courageous Living

24 Oct

We didn’t get to totally finish our discussion Saturday. Plus, some of us may have more to add after having had a few days to think… So here is the opportunity to add more – or make new comments.

Session One – Open Discussion:

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear…

  1. Before you realized Nathan’s objective, did you find yourself agreeing with his actions, or were you hoping he would give up? How did you feel once you realized what Nathan was fighting for?
    1. Would you call his actions courageous and heroic – why or why not?
  2. Describe the most dangerous situation in which you ever found yourself. Would you react the same way now as you did then? Or looking back, do you wish you had responded differently? Was your safety all that was at stake, or was someone else involved?
  3. What scares you most about the life stages of your children? If you don’t have kids, what concerns do you have for the possibility of one day being a parent?
  4. What three things do you think most threatens families today? What sacrifices are you willing to make so these threats don’t harm or destroy your family? How does courage help us make changes?
Denny Myers

Boy’s Bible Boot Camp

24 Oct

We need prospective dates and more volunteers!

Please consider volunteering and post any guidance or comments on how to execute.


Kettle Location for a Day; possibly the 3rd, 10th, or 17th of December

24 Oct

What is a good day for Men’s Group Service manning a kettle?

Please comment as appropriate.


Hockey Night Out

24 Oct

Do we want to have a Men’s Group outing at a Hockey game? If so when?

Please comment as appropriate.



Disaster Training interest

24 Oct

Who is interested Disaster Training?

Do we want to make this part of the Men’s Group Ministry?

Please comment as appropriate…



What are good dates for the Canteen Make-Ready?

24 Oct

We discussed the Men’s Group getting the Canteen ready for disaster deployment.

Please suggest dates and post comments on getting the Canteen ready for deployment for the next emergency. Remember that emergencies seldom announce themselves with enough warning to do this kind of thing  – so we need to get ahead of the curve on this one….

Important Date and Issues – Boy’s and Girl’s Club Softball

24 Oct

October 29th from 9am to 3pm – Boy’s and Girl’s Club staff/parents softball game.  All are welcomed to participate whether playing, umpiring, heckling, etc.



We also discussed the following – please review and comment as appropriate:

                Participation in Boy’s and Girl’s Club

                Boys’ night out

                Monthly Bible Study for Boys

                Passport to Manhood for Boys Ages 11 – 13

Next meeting date – From Joe King

24 Oct

I want to get a consensus on our next meeting dates for November and December.  Below are possible dates for those meetings.  Please let me know as soon as possible what date works best for you.


The 12th and 26th of November are available dates for our next meeting.  The 26th is the Saturday after Thanksgiving so I am not sure how you all feel about meeting that day?  The 12th might be the best.


The 10th of December is the best available day for our meeting during December.  The other day that is open is the 24th and I am sure we do not want to meet that day. 

Real Men Christian Values and the Passing of Steve Jobs – Part 2

16 Oct

Society idolized Steve Jobs. Even President Obama (who lost his invitation to the recent English royal wedding for gifting Queen Elizabeth an iPad) commented on Steve’s passing.

Perhaps the following are the reasons why:

  1. Steve was an obsessive worker.
  2. Steve lead a team that produces elegant computers and media payers.
  3. Steve saved Apple from bankruptcy.
  4. Steve was an excellent public speaker and gave excellent product presentations.
  5. Steve spent the last days of his life planning the future of Apple Computer and its product releases

From the perspective of the articulation of the values we are trying to embrace from a “Courageous” perspective, the following questions are begged:

  1. Are these the values we hold as Christians?
  2. Is Steve a hero from a family leadership perspective?
  3. Does Steve typify what we should be as Christian men?
  4. Are any of Steve’s accomplishments really important?

Denny Myers

Real Men Christian Values and the Passing of Steve Jobs

15 Oct

The nation is mourning the passing of Steve Jobs. His death is surely cause for sorrow. Not only to his family and loved ones, but also to society.

It might be worthwhile to scrutinize the life of Steve from the perspective of society’s adoration, the societal values that support that adoration, and the juxtaposition of the values we are embracing in our journey as a Christian Men’s Fellowship association. To that end, and in the interest of promoting discussion, the following (social and media de-emphasized and little known) facts on Steve Jobs are offered. For those of us who are skeptics, sources for the comments are listed.
Please feel free to comment however you deem appropriate…

[At the beginning of his career] Jobs returned to Atari and was given the task of creating a circuit board for the game Breakout. According to Atari co-founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari offered $100 for each chip that was eliminated in the machine. Jobs had little interest in or knowledge of circuit board design and made a deal with [Steve] Wozniak to split the bonus evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Much to the amazement of Atari, Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50, a design so tight that it was impossible to reproduce on an assembly line. According to Wozniak, Jobs told Wozniak that Atari gave them only $700 (instead of the offered $5,000) and that Wozniak’s share was thus $350

^ Letters – General Questions Answered (Wayback machine copy from June 2011, as later versions of the page have had this fact removed),
Wozniak, Steven: “iWoz“, a: pp. 147–48, b: p. 180. W. W. Norton, 2006. ISBN 978-0-393-06143-7

Kent, Stevn: “The Ultimate History of Video Games”, pp. 71–3. Three Rivers, 2001. ISBN 0-7615-3643-4

“Breakout”. Arcade History. June 25, 2002. Retrieved April 19, 2010. 

“Classic Gaming: A Complete History of Breakout”. RetrievedApril 19, 2010.
While Jobs was a persuasive and charismatic director for Apple, some of his employees from that time described him as an erratic and temperamental manager. An industry-wide sales slump towards the end of 1984, caused a deterioration in Jobs’ working relationship with Sculley as well as layoffs and disappointing sales performance. An internal power struggle developed between Jobs and Sculley.[1] Jobs kept meetings running pastmidnight, sent out lengthy faxes, then called new meetings at7:00 am.[2]

  1. ^ a b c d Seibold, Chris (2011-05-24). “May 24, 1985: Jobs Fails to Oust Sculley”. Apple Matters. RetrievedOctober 8, 2011. 
  2. ^ a b Hormby, Thomas. Growing Apple with the Macintosh: The Sculley years, Low End Mac,February 22, 2006. Retrieved onMarch 2, 2007.

In the coming months, many employees developed a fear of encountering Jobs while riding in the elevator, “afraid that they might not have a job when the doors opened. The reality was that Jobs’ summary executions were rare, but a handful of victims was enough to terrorize a whole company.”

^ “The once and future Steve Jobs”. October 11, 2000.

In 2001, Jobs was granted stock options in the amount of 7.5 million shares of Apple with an exercise price of $18.30. It was alleged that the options had been backdated, and that the exercise price should have been $21.10. It was further alleged that Jobs had thereby incurred taxable income of $20,000,000 that he did not report, and that Apple overstated its earnings by that same amount. As a result, Jobs potentially faced a number of criminal charges and civil penalties. The case is the subject of active criminal and civil government investigations, [1] though an independent internal Apple investigation completed onDecember 29, 2006, found that Jobs was unaware of these issues and that the options granted to him were returned without being exercised in 2003.[2]

On July 1, 2008, a $7 billion class action suit was filed against several members of the Apple Board of Directors for revenue lost due to the alleged securities fraud.[3][4]

  1. ^ “Apple restates, acknowledges faked documents”. EE Times.December 29, 2006.
  2. RetrievedJanuary 1, 2007. 
  3. ^ “Group Wants $7B USD From Apple, Steve Jobs, Executives Over Securities Fraud”.
  4. ^ “Apple, Steve Jobs, Executives, Board, Sued For Securities Fraud”.

Much was made of Jobs’ aggressive and demanding personality. Fortune wrote that he was “considered one of Silicon Valley’s leading egomaniacs”.[1] Commentaries on his temperamental style can be found in Michael Moritz’s The Little Kingdom, The Second Coming of Steve Jobs, by Alan Deutschman; and iCon: Steve Jobs, by Jeffrey S. Young & William L. Simon. In 1993, Jobs made Fortune’s list ofAmerica’s Toughest Bosses in regard to his leadership of NeXT.

Jobs speaking with journalist Walt Mossberg at the All Things Digital conference in 2007.

 Cofounder Dan’l Lewin was quoted in Fortune as saying of that period, “The highs were unbelievable … But the lows were unimaginable”, to which Jobs’ office replied that his personality had changed since then. [2]

  1. ^ Colvin, Geoff (March 19, 2007). “Steve Jobs’ Bad Bet”. Fortune. RetrievedFebruary 23, 2011. 
  2. ^ Dumaine, Brian (October 18, 1993). “America’s Toughest Bosses”. Fortune (CNN).

Jobs married Laurene Powell onMarch 18, 1991. Presiding over the wedding was the Zen Buddhist monk Kobun Chino Otogawa.[1] The couple had a son and two daughters.[2] Jobs also had a daughter, Lisa Brennan-Jobs (born 1978), from his relationship with Bay Area painter Chrisann Brennan.[1] For two years, she raised their daughter on welfare while Jobs denied paternity by claiming he was sterile; he later acknowledged Lisa as his daughter.[1]

     1. a b c d e f g Elkind, Peter (March 5, 2008). “The trouble with Steve Jobs”. Fortune.

     2. Retrieved March 5, 2008.
And yet, it turns out the man who gave us the iPhone also gave photographers some serious lip when it came to taking his pictures. PDN Pulse, the blog run by Photo District News, a monthly magazine for professional photographers, spoke with some of the people who took photos of Jobs over the course of his career at Apple. And instead of talking about how meaningful the photos they took of him were, especially in light of how sad his death made the world, what the photographers remembered most was how hard it was to get him to sit still. Jobs was known to walk onto a set, start changing complicated lighting setups, complaining about the concept and calling people’s bosses to have it changed. He also yelled a fair bit.

 The revelation might be shocking to some, considering how calm and collected Jobs was during most of his Apple keynote addresses and product launches. But like runway shows, those events were highly produced and took a lot of prep work to achieve. Consider this anecdote from photographer Doug Menuez‘s shoot for a 1988 cover of Fortune magazine:

 Menuez wanted to photograph him in the NeXT offices, on a staircase that Jobs had commissioned architect I.M. Pei to design. Jobs arrived for the shoot, looked at what Menuez had in mind, “then [he] leaned in and says, ‘This is the stupidest  [expletive deleted] idea that I’ve ever seen.’ Right in my face, like 5 or 6 inches away,” Menuez says. “I felt like I was 10 years old. He went off on a tirade. He said, ‘You just want to sell magazines. ‘And I said, ‘And you want to sell computers.’ And at that he said, ‘OK,’ and sat down.
Fussy Shopper – Jobs was notoriously choosy of designs that he had to research for months before picking up a gadget or an appliance for his household. “I end up not buying a lot of things, because I find them ridiculous,” he told The Independent in 2005, at the original iPod Shuffle launch.

Jobs once described how he and his family went about choosing a washing machine for the household. Though he didn’t have to worry about the price tag, factors like European versus American design, relative water use, detergent demands, and its time requirement, made him deliberate over it for weeks.

Jobs considered a choosing a washing machine similar to that to buying a phone. “You get one of the phones now and you’re never going to learn more than 5 per cent of the features.” he was quoted as saying. “You’re never going to use more than 5 per cent, and, uh, it’s very complicated. So you end up using just 5 per cent.”

No wonder why designers were the most respected people in Apple who reported directly to the CEO. “Most people make the mistake of thinking design is what it looks like,” he told The New York Times in 2003. “People think it’s this veneer – that the designers are handed this box and told, ‘Make it good!’ That’s not what we think design is. It’s not just what it looks and feels like. Design is how it works.”

Dislike for Focus Groups – Jobs never liked the idea of designing according to popular suggestions. “It’s really hard to design products by focus groups,” he told Business Week in 1998. “A lot of times people don’t know what they really want until you show it to them.”

John Sculley, former Apple CEO once reflected on what Jobs thought about product designing, “He said, ‘How can I possibly ask somebody what a graphics-based computer ought to be when they have no idea what a graphic based computer is? No one has ever seen one before.'”

Car Without a License Plate – Jobs drove a silver Mercedes which had a barcode without a license plate. However, he never really got into trouble for a license plate-less car.

Disabled Parking Spots – Jobs didn’t really care to find parking space when disabled parking spots were available. Andy Hertzfeld, who was a member of the original Macintosh development team once said, Jobs “seemed to think that the blue wheelchair symbol meant that the spot was reserved for the chairman.”

According to a popular Jobs legend, reported by Fortune, Apple employees often joked about Jobs being too busy to find a parking space and once put a “Park Different” note under his windshield wiper.

Wannabe Buddhist Monk Who Sold Computers — Jobs traveled to India, after dropping out of Reed college, to visit Neem Karoli Baba at his Kainchi Ashram with a college friend (and, later, the first Apple employee), Daniel Kottke, seeking spiritual enlightenment. He came back a Buddhist with his head shaved and wearing traditional Indian clothing.

He was quoted saying that he thought of becoming a monk up in a monastery in Japan instead of starting Apple, but his guru Kobun Chino convinced him otherwise. However, Jobs’ critics often questioned his stringent management style given that he was a devout Buddhist: “Imagine what he’d be like if he hadn’t studied buddhism…”

His marriage to Laurene Powell on March 18, 1991, was presided over by the Zen monk Kobun Chino Otogawa.


Steve would punish those who did not report the Apple company line. He would ostracize media personnel who reported any non-Apple endorsed or Apple friendly or contrarian viewpoint

denny myers 10.16.11